Veggie fx vs veggie deluxe

[gturmindright]

I'm still to this day trying to figure out why I'd buy the veggie deluxe. Part of me wants to because I believe variety is healthy but the other part of me says that veggie fx has everything deluxe has plus more. I decided to dig deeper today and make a meaningful post. I am going to post the ingredients and guaranteed analysis of veggie deluxe, veggie fx and veggie pro for anyone wondering the same thing here on this forum.

Veggie deluxe
$23.60
Kelp, krill, wheat flour, white fish meal, spirulina algae, pea protein, wheat germ, montmorillonite clay, brewer's yeast, gum acacia, garlic, protease, beta glucan, Vitamin A Acetate, D-Activated Animal-Sterol (D3), DL Alphatocopherol (E), L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (C), B12 Supplement, Choline Chloride, Niacin, Inositol, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (B6), Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (K), Biotin, Cobalt Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Ethylenediamine Dihydroiodide.

Crude Protein: Min. 38%

Crude Fat: Min. 5%

Crude Fiber: Max. 4%

Moisture: Min. 9%

Ash: Max. 12%

Calcium: Max. 2%

Phosphorus: Min 0.7%


Veggie fx
$29.70
Krill, kelp, wheat flour, white fish meal, spirulina algae, pea protein, wheat germ, copepod meal, montmorillonite clay, astaxanthin, brewer's yeast, gum acacia, garlic, protease, beta glucan, Vitamin A Acetate, D-Activated Animal-Sterol (D3), DL Alphatocopherol (E), L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (C), B12 Supplement, Choline Chloride, Niacin, Inositol, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (B6), Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (K), Biotin, Cobalt Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Ethylenediamine Dihydroiodide.

Crude Protein: Min. 39%

Crude Fat: Min. 5%

Crude Fiber: Max. 4%

Moisture: Max. 9%

Ash: Max. 12%

Calcium: Min. 2%

Phosphorus: Min 0.7%


Veggie Pro
$18.00
Kelp, Antarctic krill meal, wheat flour, white fish meal, spirulina algae, pea protein, wheat germ, brewers yeast, montmorillonite clay, astaxanthin, garlic, calcium carbonate, Vitamin A Acetate, D-Activated Animal Sterol (D3), DL-alpha-Tocopherol (E), L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (C), B12 Supplement, Choline Chloride, Niacin, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (B6), Thiamine Mononitrate, Inositol, Folic Acid, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (K), Biotin

Crude Protein: Min. 37%

Crude Fat: Min. 5%

Crude Fiber: Max. 4%

Moisture: Min. 9%

Ash: Max. 12%

Calcium: Max. 2%

Phosphorus: Min 0.7%


Ingredient labels list ingredients in order of predominance. So veggie fx and veggie deluxe are close but different. Looks like the kelp and krill are flip flopped and veggie fx has copepod meal, those two things probably accounts for the 1% more protein in veggie fx. Veggie fx has astaxanthin which helps with red coloration. The veggie pro ingredient list is cut off on their website but it looks to also have astaxanthin, but is otherwise pretty similar to veggie deluxe. I'm not sure if antarctic krill meal and krill are different or not. It has 1% less protein. I feel like a better combo for me might be veggie fx and veggie pro, if I were going to use a combination, if I weren't going to continue just using veggie fx. I don't think the astaxanthin does anything for the color of my duboisi but probably helps the 'kachese'. I've also listed their website prices for the 1.1lb packages. Anything I missed that you notice?

[tankoftangs]

Interesting post! I currently use a combination of Veggie FX and Veggie deluxe for pellet food and mix in some flake. Like you, I feel like the fish need variety although I am surprised by how close those ingredient lists are. Sticking with one would definitely simplify things.

One thing I noticed on the Dainichi website was that Veggie FX and Veggie deluxe are the only 2 that do not swell when added to water and may help prevent bloat? Veggie pro is not listed on the website so I am not sure if it has this characteristic. I am also not really sure the lack of swelling with water matters since they say Color FX (which doesn't have this characteristic) is "a superb choice of food for even the most delicate of herbivores" and they picture a tropheus as an example. I will also add that the website does not look very up to date. Gotta love it when you click on the cichlid food section and you see whats new in 2014!

[gturmindright]

I found what you are talking about. Thanks.

Veggie fx-Based on the color-rich, Veggie Deluxe formula, VEGGIE FX is fortified
with an addition of a Cyclop-eeze® and NatuRose® coating and is one
of our most exotic foods to date. Encapsulated with 100% pure cultured
spirulina, freeze-dried Cyclop-eeze® (a crustacean with the highest known
levels of carotenoids and "omega-3" fatty acids), NatuRose® (Haemato-
coccus algae with a 15,000 ppm astaxanthin content) and E.superba krill,
VEGGIE FX contains all natural minerals, nutrients and pigments designed
to enhance the color and luster of your cichlids. With six seperate
applications of color enhancing ingredients, the color promoting properties
are rivaled only by our other specialty formula, COLOR FX.
At the same time, there are absolutely no compromises
in the nutritional qualities. Raw, fully potent vitamins,
digestive enzymes and garlic ensure that the fish are healthy
and free of internal parasites. As in all Dainichi foods, we included
calcium montmorillonite clay to simulate the natural uptake of mineral particles as well as to bind and
neutralize metabolic toxins. Furthermore, the scouring action of the clay enhances the rejuvenation of the digestive tract which when combined with only two sources of starch (flour as binder and wheat germ as a source of vitamin E and B) ensures the maximum rate of digestion and assimilation of nutrients. The veggie formulas, VEGGIE DELUXE and VEGGIE FX are designed to prevent bloating. Rather than swelling to two or three times their original size, the pellets will break down to their granular state in the digestive tract of a fish. This feature makes it virtually impossible to cause "bloat" in even the most strictest of herbivores such as Tropheus species.

Veggie deluxe-
VEGGIE DELUXE contains a unique blend of premium grade kelp
and spirulina, designed to keep even the strictest herbivores in peak
health and color. Also featuring krill, shrimp meal, white fish meal,
garlic and un-cooked digestive enzymes, this high energy formula is
packed with easily digestible sources of protein essential for growth
and vigor of cichlids of all types. With five applications of color
enhancing ingredients, the colors are exceptionally vivid and are
displayed at an early age. As in all Dainichi foods, there is calcium
montmorillonite clay to simulate the natural ingestion of mineral
| particles and to bind and neutralize metabolic toxins. Raw, fully
potent vitamins, digestive enzymes and garlic ensure that the fish
are healthy and free of internal parasites. Furthermore,
the scouring action of the clay enhances continuous
rejuvenation of the digestive tract which when
combined with only two sources of starch (flour as
binder and wheat germ as a source of vitamin E and B)
ensures the maximum rate of digestion and assimilation of nutrients.

Color fx-
COLOR FX represents the most progressive advances in cichlid nutrition
we have ever offered to cichlid hobbyists. Utilizing Dainichi's advanced
encapsulation technology to the fullest, this outstanding formula is
packed with features found in no other food brand in the industry.
For starters, there are an unprecedented seven applications of highly
nutritious as well as potent color intensifiers like shrimp, Antarctic krill,
Cyclop-eeze®, NatuRose® (Haematococcus algae) and raw,
un-cooked spirulina. As in all Dainichi foods, there is calcium
montmorillonite clay to simulate the natural ingestion of mineral
particles and to bind and neutralize metabolic toxins.
Raw, fully potent vitamins, digestive enzymes and garlic
ensure that the fish are healthy and free of internal
parasites. Furthermore, the scouring action of
the clay enhances the rejuvenation of the digestive
tract which when combined with only two sources
of starch (flour as binder and wheat germ as a source of vitamin E and B)
makes COLOR FX a superb choice of food for even the most delicate of herbivores

dainichi.com/cichlid_food.html

[gturmindright]

It looks like color fx is worth considering as well. dainichi.com/cichlid_food_color_fx_herbivore.html

[brianyelick]

It's also good to consider that if you're getting good results it's best to not keep flip flopping on food it could bite you in the rear if you aren't careful.

[gturmindright]

For sure. Another thing I like about that dainichi is the formulas are so similar you probably could switch around and be fine.

[thefishdaddy]

I have been feeding the FX exclusively on certain tanks and the rest are the Deluxe but for the past 4 months I'm doing a 50/50 mixture of the Deluxe and the Pro there is only a very slight difference in the color of the Bemba's of the same age, the only major difference is food and the light duration, the lighter orange color only gets 3 hours of light.

[tankoftangs]

That is interesting. Can you clarify what the slight difference between the two foods you noticed was (taking the lighting out of the equation)? I think Dainichi makes a really high quality food so maybe the slight variation among their foods might not make as much of a difference in color as I would think it would.

[riftwater]

I use them both. What drives me nuts is my 8" Petros refusing to touch small sized pellets. I have to fed them baby still.

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Dec 6, 2019 15:01:01 GMT -5 riftwater said:

I use them both. What drives me nuts is my 8" Petros refusing to touch small sized pellets. I have to fed them baby still.

Big babies, lol